I think the Republican race is pretty open with Huckerbee being one of 4 or 5 with a realistic chance. There's always a few nutters in it (is he the mormon? I forget). There's a good chance the republican vote will be split this time as well with there being no clear candidate and almoost all of them offering something the one branch or another finds unpalitable.
If I were a betting man I'd put my money of the Clinton whilst secretly hoping to lose it all and end up with Obama.
Submitted by Nibbles on Wed, 2008-01-16 14:58
Mitt Romney is the Mormon. And not one of the good ones. :)
There isn't an acceptable (to me) Republican candidate this time round, but then I don't think there could be.
I'm not thrilled with any of the Democrats either. Certainly not the ones who're likely to do well.
Submitted by AggroBoy on Wed, 2008-01-16 15:08
The last election I was in Canada at the time and on the way back to the airport which was after bush had won the cab driver felt the need to apologise to us for their neighbour re-electing Bush for the 2nd (or actually 1st) time
Submitted by Evilmatt on Wed, 2008-01-16 15:15
When I was out there in the summer the undenyable cunt level of Bush was a regular topic of conversation... Not many actual apologies though.
Obama is my personal fav, bit light on substance, but he seems to have a modicum of decency that could be duely leeched out of him. At least he'd start out with some though.
Submitted by Nibbles on Wed, 2008-01-16 15:26
There is one thing that can be said about Huckerbee and that's that he is wiley and quite switched on. I don't agree with this mixing of religeon and state but at least he has an opinion and can articulate it. He argues pretty well, too. This is not worse than Bush, who can hardly string sentances together and invents words when his vocabulary injection runs out.
I am hoping that the Democrats get in. Obama and Clinton look pretty good. Women politicians always have a hard time. They tread the line between speaking gently a being called 'too soft' and speaking with force and then being dubbed a 'wailing banshee'. These are essentially sexist comments that do get out through the mass media. You'd never hear them noting Obama's mixed race in the same way that they do about Clinton's gender. In the race between them, I'd back Clinton. She's been there. She's seen how the game is to be played. I don't think that Obama puts on an act of decency and I don't trust people who do that. Naively wandering into the White House is going to ruin the man. I think it's time they had a woman president.
Submitted by brainwipe on Thu, 2008-01-17 09:03
I have to say, I think it is worse than Bush, for the very reasons you give.
It's barely an exaggeration to say that these are people who's opinions and motivations are antithetical to everything I think is worthwhile or valuable about our species. We're talking about someone who doesn't think America is religious enough, and his solution is to change the constitution.
When I disagree with someone so vehemently, I don't think the fact that he's more capable of achieving his goals is a good thing. I've always said to myself: "At least Bush is stupid; imagine the harm he could have done if he was competent. "
Submitted by AggroBoy on Thu, 2008-01-17 10:53
If people want what Huckerbee wants then they'll vote for him. If he is actually what the American people want then they will vote and he'll get in to make the changes he wants. We live in a very liberal, socialist culture. That doesn't mean that the USA have to do the same. In honesty, we don't know what affect an ultra-Christian will have on the world. It doesn't match what I believe but I am not going to assume something without seeing some evidence.
If that's what the American people want, then let them have him.
Submitted by brainwipe on Thu, 2008-01-17 10:58
Some of his views tend towards the psychotic end of Christian fundamentalism like rounding up all the gays and taking everyone with aids and putting them "somewhere"
America is always a bit of an odd duck when it comes to religion it is by original design secular, separation of powers is the fundamental pin around which their entire systems swings Church, Legislature, and Executive are all separate and independent. Unlike here where all three overlap.
But for that they are a far more religious driven country than you get over here where we don't have separation of powers and members of the church still sit in parts of our legislature and government (bout time we got rid of the lazy church bastards in my book).
I mean for all we are a liberal socialist culture we do have a state mandated religion which America doesn't though you wouldn't believe it.
There are already some fairly unsettling developments with regard to how America treats Europe they are saying we are now the hot bed for terrorism and the religious lot take a pretty dim view of our more liberal laws in certain areas. I'm not saying they will invade tomorrow (though if I were you I'd have a stock of american flags just in case) but they could and have made things tough for us before by enforcing all sorts of illegal tarifs on our goods and services.
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I think the Republican race is pretty open with Huckerbee being one of 4 or 5 with a realistic chance. There's always a few nutters in it (is he the mormon? I forget). There's a good chance the republican vote will be split this time as well with there being no clear candidate and almoost all of them offering something the one branch or another finds unpalitable.
If I were a betting man I'd put my money of the Clinton whilst secretly hoping to lose it all and end up with Obama.
Mitt Romney is the Mormon. And not one of the good ones. :)
There isn't an acceptable (to me) Republican candidate this time round, but then I don't think there could be.
I'm not thrilled with any of the Democrats either. Certainly not the ones who're likely to do well.
The last election I was in Canada at the time and on the way back to the airport which was after bush had won the cab driver felt the need to apologise to us for their neighbour re-electing Bush for the 2nd (or actually 1st) time
When I was out there in the summer the undenyable cunt level of Bush was a regular topic of conversation... Not many actual apologies though.
Obama is my personal fav, bit light on substance, but he seems to have a modicum of decency that could be duely leeched out of him. At least he'd start out with some though.
There is one thing that can be said about Huckerbee and that's that he is wiley and quite switched on. I don't agree with this mixing of religeon and state but at least he has an opinion and can articulate it. He argues pretty well, too. This is not worse than Bush, who can hardly string sentances together and invents words when his vocabulary injection runs out.
I am hoping that the Democrats get in. Obama and Clinton look pretty good. Women politicians always have a hard time. They tread the line between speaking gently a being called 'too soft' and speaking with force and then being dubbed a 'wailing banshee'. These are essentially sexist comments that do get out through the mass media. You'd never hear them noting Obama's mixed race in the same way that they do about Clinton's gender. In the race between them, I'd back Clinton. She's been there. She's seen how the game is to be played. I don't think that Obama puts on an act of decency and I don't trust people who do that. Naively wandering into the White House is going to ruin the man. I think it's time they had a woman president.
I have to say, I think it is worse than Bush, for the very reasons you give.
It's barely an exaggeration to say that these are people who's opinions and motivations are antithetical to everything I think is worthwhile or valuable about our species. We're talking about someone who doesn't think America is religious enough, and his solution is to change the constitution.
When I disagree with someone so vehemently, I don't think the fact that he's more capable of achieving his goals is a good thing. I've always said to myself: "At least Bush is stupid; imagine the harm he could have done if he was competent. "
If people want what Huckerbee wants then they'll vote for him. If he is actually what the American people want then they will vote and he'll get in to make the changes he wants. We live in a very liberal, socialist culture. That doesn't mean that the USA have to do the same. In honesty, we don't know what affect an ultra-Christian will have on the world. It doesn't match what I believe but I am not going to assume something without seeing some evidence.
If that's what the American people want, then let them have him.
Some of his views tend towards the psychotic end of Christian fundamentalism like rounding up all the gays and taking everyone with aids and putting them "somewhere"
America is always a bit of an odd duck when it comes to religion it is by original design secular, separation of powers is the fundamental pin around which their entire systems swings Church, Legislature, and Executive are all separate and independent. Unlike here where all three overlap.
But for that they are a far more religious driven country than you get over here where we don't have separation of powers and members of the church still sit in parts of our legislature and government (bout time we got rid of the lazy church bastards in my book).
I mean for all we are a liberal socialist culture we do have a state mandated religion which America doesn't though you wouldn't believe it.
There are already some fairly unsettling developments with regard to how America treats Europe they are saying we are now the hot bed for terrorism and the religious lot take a pretty dim view of our more liberal laws in certain areas. I'm not saying they will invade tomorrow (though if I were you I'd have a stock of american flags just in case) but they could and have made things tough for us before by enforcing all sorts of illegal tarifs on our goods and services.